Intro from Natalie:
Hey everyone, welcome back to the podcast. Today I’m so excited to chat with a woman I met at Coast Lab. For a while, I thought she was just a cool colleague, but it turns out she’s the amazing Genevieve, co-founder of the charity Voices of Hope!

Before we dive in, a quick heads-up: This conversation, as part of our mental health series, covers sensitive topics. We’ll be discussing personal mental health struggles, including anxiety, OCD, and eating disorders. We’ll also be talking about the pressures of running a business and a charity.Please listen with care, and remember, if you or someone you know is struggling, help is available. We’ll have resources linked in the show notes. And obviously we’re gonna be referencing Voices of Hope as a charity for someone where you can go and get the help that you need.

Gen is a powerful storyteller, and she gets incredibly vulnerable today, sharing her challenging teenage years and the immense shame that came with it. She opens up about the courage it took to become a voice of hope for others, even while navigating her own journey.

This episode is packed with real talk for every business owner. Gen shares her journey of building Voices of Hope from a voluntary passion project into a full-time job. We dive into the unique challenges of running a charity like a business, from managing teams and sourcing funding to her own struggle with self-care and burnout.

And as a soon-to-be-mum, Gen gets honest about the exciting process of stepping back from the charity she built to take maternity leave. We talk about why the charity’s growth is actually more dependent on her ability to delegate and trust her team.

This is a beautiful, raw, and hopeful conversation about finding your purpose, setting boundaries, and understanding that even when things get tough, it’s okay to put your own oxygen mask on first.

Let’s get into it.

00:02:23

Natalie: So welcome to the Podcast. I remember my daughters and I listening to Hope is Real Podcast in the car with Jazz, and we were going, driving all the way down to see my sister in New Plymouth, and I was like, this is cool having this podcast. You can listen, listen with your teams and twins. And we came up to your podcast where you and Jazz were chatting. I was like, ah, she sounds really cool. Not Truck was like, oh, this is cool. To know who’s. No detriment to Jazz, but the brainchild behind putting Voices of Hope together for me, that. That’s you. And I really enjoyed it. So then coming to Coast Lab as a co working space. And then I remember Sylvia going, oh, yeah, this is Voices of Hope.

00:03:10

Genevieve: These.

00:03:11

Natalie: These three of them here. It’s Jen. And I was like, it’s cool. A million.

00:03:17

Genevieve: Yeah.

00:03:17

Natalie: I was like. I was like, just J and Genevieve. And I didn’t ask about that.

00:03:25

Genevieve: Yeah.

00:03:26

Natalie: But I was like, oh, I wonder when they’re going to come in. And I remember being introduced to his gene. I was like, you know, go back to my desk. And I don’t know how it clicked in my head one day.

00:03:37

Genevieve: I think it was a while after.

00:03:39

Natalie: We’Ve been working when it jumps my.

00:03:41

Genevieve: Space for a few weeks maybe.

00:03:44

Natalie: I saw your book and then I saw your, you know, your full name.

00:03:47

Genevieve: Oh.

00:03:48

Natalie: And I was going to. I was leaving and you were coming to the car park and I was like, you’re Genova.

00:03:57

Genevieve: And it was. It was like six or eight weeks after we’ve been talking, we’ve been hanging out, and you’re like, I didn’t realize.

00:04:03

Natalie: It was the same person. What a dog.

00:04:07

Genevieve: So what a dog. And there’s been a few incidences like that, hasn’t there, where you’ve said things that I’ve, you know, I’m going to shoot it.

00:04:14

Natalie: So your amazing husband.

00:04:15

Genevieve: Isaac. Yeah, Isaac.

00:04:16

Natalie: Yeah, he was. Was. It was last year. He came and did a bit of work from here. Yeah.

00:04:20

Genevieve: He was doing some stuff with our goal fundraiser and just helping us out. And he did. Actually, he did just work a couple days here. Yeah. Yeah.

00:04:27

Natalie: So he was starting to feel, oh, this is Isaac. And I was like. And he would sit quite close to you. I remember thinking, okay, That’s Jenny. Gets quite close with her.

00:04:36

Genevieve: Yeah.

00:04:36

Natalie: Colleagues, like. Cool.

00:04:37

Genevieve: And you knew I had a husband.

00:04:38

Natalie: I knew you had a husband. I knew you were married.

00:04:40

Genevieve: Yeah.

00:04:40

Natalie: And then one day I saw you put your hand on his knee and I was like.

00:04:45

Genevieve: What am I witnessing?

00:04:49

Natalie: I. When it clicked, I remember saying to Jen, I’ve got another funny story for you. I thought. I didn’t realize your husband and I worked out later after going online and going, oh, my. She’s got this super touchy feeling. So I’ve made a great question on you. But you’re honest.

00:05:06

Genevieve: You don’t keep it to yourself. You just fully embrace it. And it makes me laugh. Every time I feel like there’s been more incidents. I can’t think of them. But you say some funny things.

00:05:14

Natalie: I think I’m just so curious. Or.

00:05:17

Genevieve: And you’re watching. You’re often like. I feel like you take things in.

00:05:19

Natalie: Without, you know, like, some could call that hyper vigilance.

00:05:22

Genevieve: Yes.

00:05:26

Natalie: I’m just naturally curious. If I don’t understand something I want to know or if something doesn’t feel transparent. Not. You were not. Not transparent in any of that. That’s not. No, no. Of course. I’m like, oh, what. What is that about?

00:05:39

Genevieve: Whereas I just make up stories in my head and go with that, and then it ends up being wrong.

00:05:42

Natalie: Like to ask questions. So when I wanted to do this, I think I asked you last year, I would do this podcast.

00:05:50

Genevieve: Yeah.

00:05:50

Natalie: And here we are in August of 2025. But isn’t that the reality of business?

00:05:56

Genevieve: It’s life. It’s absolutely life. And we tried. What was it, a month ago? And your daughter was sick. And then I’ve been on school tours and so, like, here we are.

00:06:04

Natalie: Here we are. Finally made it. But I think that’s a cool story that you might have ideas in business or you’re wanting to do something and sometimes it just. No, ducks will line up.

00:06:14

Genevieve: Yeah, absolutely. And something Isaac often says to me, especially because, like, so I’m the co. Founder and general manager of Voices of. I do sort of running of the operations, managing of the team. And he’ll often say to me, like, you’re the only one putting pressure on yourself. And I’ve got so much on this week. Like, I’ve got. He’s like, this. That you’ve scheduled that all in. And you’re the one that’s like, even like, sort of campaign deadlines. He’s like, who made the deadlines? And I’m like, yeah, that was me. You Know, like, I’m putting the pressure on myself, which sometimes you have to do. But sometimes it’s okay to be like, actually, let’s reschedule.

00:06:44

Natalie: Yes.

00:06:45

Genevieve: You know, or let’s push this out a week.

00:06:47

Natalie: And I think we have found with COVID in C word, people are much more human around. Hey. Actually, someone said I’m not well, and, hey, let’s not even push it.

00:06:58

Genevieve: Yeah, let’s reschedule it. Yeah. Yeah, completely.

00:07:01

Natalie: Yeah.

00:07:02

Genevieve: Yeah. I’ve had a bit of that lately, actually, which has been. Which has been good.

00:07:05

Natalie: Yeah. We’re all just, like, a little bit more relaxed about that. Showing up perfectly, kind of.

00:07:10

Genevieve: Yes.

00:07:11

Natalie: And that’s one of the reasons I. I wanted to have you on, to guess.

00:07:14

Genevieve: Because I’m not perfect.

00:07:16

Natalie: Because you’re so not perfect. But just the fact that you’ve got such an amazing story and you’re in business, and then you must see other people who are in business.

00:07:24

Genevieve: Yes.

00:07:25

Natalie: And I just don’t think we talk about the impact of mental health or running a business.

00:07:30

Genevieve: Yeah.

00:07:30

Natalie: Because it’s hard anyway.

00:07:31

Genevieve: Oh, yeah.

00:07:32

Natalie: And then you add some layers of.

00:07:34

Genevieve: Yeah.

00:07:35

Natalie: Freakiness.

00:07:36

Genevieve: Yeah, completely.

00:07:37

Natalie: So I think a cool way to kick off would just be if you want to share your story and then how you landed into running your business.

00:07:44

Genevieve: Absolutely. Yeah. No. So, I mean, long story short, we could talk for hours and days or Christmas, but I had some really challenging years during my teenage years. I fought a really difficult battle with anxiety, obsessive compulsive disorder, and eventually really struggled with eating disorder. And a big part of my sort of teenage years was not normal. What even normal is I left school because I was too unwell to be in school, spent a lot of time in hospital. And the sort of overarching thing that I think about is just being consumed by so much shame. Like, I was so embarrassed, and so I didn’t talk about it, and I pretend it didn’t happen. And once I was. Well, I told no one about it. It was kind of like, you know, who was this version of me that had gone through this? I don’t want anything to do with it. And I think the more that I sort of avoided it, the more it popped up in different areas of my life, whether it was sort of friends struggling or family struggling, and came to the realization that actually speaking about it would probably not only help me heal, but hopefully others, too. And I was connected with the mutual friends or connected through a friend with Jazz. That’s a weird story in itself. How we Wild story. She Grew up in Timaru. There was a girl from San Francisco that had come over to do an exchange or had ended up being in her class. They got to know each other. I met this American friend when I was at acting camp in the States and she was like, oh, you’re a Kiwi. I went to school in New Zealand for a bit and met this girl called Jaz. You guys should be friends because there’s not many Kiwis in the world. So we connected on Facebook and at that point Jaz was much more transparent and open with her story, which really encouraged me to, to do the same. And we realized that we had a few things in common when we didn’t know each other. When we first started, we were strangers, so we were forming a friendship or trying to. And that had its hurdles and challenges while, you know, trying to start something together. But we really passionate about film and television and creation of things through sort of visual media platforms and also wanting to help people. So started really simply interviewing people about their own stories. And it’s just continued to grow and flourish and become, become something bigger than I think either of us could ever have imagined. And now it’s my full time job, which is also wild because it was just a voluntary thing for years and years and years and years.

00:10:09

Natalie: What did you do before it? Before voice, what did you do?

00:10:12

Genevieve: So I finished high school and was working as a special needs teacher aid. So I went to school, a beautiful school, some special school, and then did some work in the satellite classrooms at like Glendowi with young primary school children. Loved that. But that was me sort of trying to find myself and where I, where I fitted in, what I wanted to be doing. And I ended up going to drama school in LA for two years. I moved to the States and studied over there and then came home because my visa expired. I probably would have stayed if I could, but I’m glad I didn’t because life would have been a lot different. And ended up actually going back into teacherating while doing acting as like a hobby on the side for a family friend of mine, sort of starting school first time at 10, who’d been very, very unwell with physical health challenges. And then yeah, was, was doing Voices of Hope even when I was in LA on the side. And eventually got to the point after sort of two, two and a half, three years at Parnell District School that we were like, if we’re going to make this happen, we need to fully dive into it. So I took a bit of a leap of faith. I Went part time, I think it was. And then, yeah, being able to give the charity more time meant that there was more opportunity to look for funding and to grow. But it was a scary step because we had no idea if it was going to work or not.

00:11:34

Natalie: I actually forgotten that you were an actor because I’m pretty sure I’ve walked in here and be like, Dan, I.

00:11:38

Genevieve: Saw you on tv. Yes, I do a bit of that. It’s just, it’s just a hobby. It’s not something I sort of actively pursue.

00:11:43

Natalie: It’s hard to do in New Zealand.

00:11:45

Genevieve: But yeah, I love doing TV commercials and stuff.

00:11:47

Natalie: That’s actually interesting in terms of like you going and pursuing drama. Was it a way to. Was it an escapism?

00:11:54

Genevieve: I’d always been interested in acting. Something I’d like. Yeah, I did modeling, quite a bit of modeling when I was a teenager which surprisingly didn’t actually. Cause, you know.

00:12:07

Natalie: Yes, yeah, it wasn’t.

00:12:09

Genevieve: It was actually something that brought me a lot of joy and yeah. Was not the reason I became a mild eating disorder. And so I’d kind of been in that world experience that I think for me there was two things. It was probably escaping New Zealand and getting out here and being like, I want to go do something different. The States had always excited me, not so much now. And I’d yeah, I guess I want to challenge myself and do something different. And again had a passion for acting and storytelling. So yeah, that was a really. It was amazing. It was the best two years of my life. But it was. That seems like a different life. I’m a different person than I was.

00:12:46

Natalie: But. But I think that’s why you get older when you look back. I say this to coming to you from like much older than new. But you do look back on your 20 and 30 year old stuff. You’re like, oh my goodness.

00:12:55

Genevieve: Wow. Yeah. Like I moved there when I was 18 and I was like. And I had already been, well for maybe a couple of years. My parents really brave allowing me to. I think at that point they’re like, we just got to trust that this is going to be okay and. And obviously very privileged to be able to even pursue that opportunity. But yeah, I was young, I had no idea what I was doing. I never lived out.

00:13:15

Natalie: Do you know what I’m doing now though?

00:13:16

Genevieve: No, I don’t. Honestly. A big part of this is just faking it till I make it.

00:13:20

Natalie: Yeah.

00:13:20

Genevieve: And I have moments where I wake up and I’m like, who put me in charge of this charity But I mean, like, anything. And I guess when it comes to business as well, like, passion and purpose will keep you going when things get hard. And. Yeah. Charity in many ways, I guess, runs like a business. And I can’t imagine. And I guess I was going to say I can’t imagine the additional pressure of having to, you know, be for profit, whereas we’re not for profit, you know, but we’re still having to source funds for our salaries and keeping our team afloat and that sort of thing.

00:13:48

Natalie: Yeah. I think that’s the thing that people forget is that a charity doesn’t run any differently from a business. And, you know, a lot of business owners don’t even. Can’t even pay themselves.

00:14:01

Genevieve: Yes.

00:14:01

Natalie: Yeah.

00:14:01

Genevieve: To do it. Absolutely.

00:14:03

Natalie: There’s something quite interesting in about sometimes you wake up and you’re like, who put me in charge? And you’ve probably seen behind the curtains of other people, but I certainly have in business. And no one really knows what they’re doing. Right.

00:14:16

Genevieve: No. Yeah.

00:14:17

Natalie: And I think Covid pulled the blinders off a lot of us going, oh, actually, we’ve just got to use maybe what we do know, our intuition, and then go, what’s best for me in this next.

00:14:27

Genevieve: Completely. Completely. And also looking for support. I think that’s been a big thing for me. And, you know, even with some of the corporate partners we work with, you know, the CEOs, the people that are the top dogs, like, have had good conversations with them. And a big thing I’ve learned about leadership is like, as a leader, you don’t have to have all the answers, like, use your team. And I’m lucky to have a beautiful, you know, little team around me. And I ask them for advice just as much as they ask me for advice and not having to be too proud or, you know. Yeah. I think that’s really important. But, yeah, I think like we were saying before we jumped on here is, you know, everyone goes through challenging times. Yeah.

00:15:05

Natalie: And.

00:15:05

Genevieve: And running.

00:15:06

Natalie: No one gets out. No one gets out of it by not having. There’s no, like, I. I very much was that business owner when I first started was like, I’ll just go pay someone to tell me.

00:15:16

Genevieve: Yeah.

00:15:16

Natalie: So I don’t have to go on the journey. So I just go from A to B. Yeah.

00:15:19

Genevieve: But it’s not.

00:15:19

Natalie: There’s no way out. You’ve got to go for your own journey. You have guidance and support. Yeah. You know what I mean?

00:15:25

Genevieve: Yeah.

00:15:26

Natalie: It’s such a personal development ride.

00:15:28

Genevieve: It is.

00:15:29

Natalie: And I think if. If you I see one of my amazing clients that if they haven’t dealt with trauma or their mental health issues, haven’t. Haven’t actually been acknowledged, it plays out in business. I can see it for them.

00:15:41

Genevieve: Yeah, absolutely.

00:15:42

Natalie: And I have certainly had to say to some clients, hey, I think that.

00:15:45

Genevieve: Actually need to prioritize yourself.

00:15:47

Natalie: Yeah. And look at some forms of therapy, for example, or go and talk to someone. I think with business coaching, life coaching, we have a very fine line between what we’re. What we are accredited to do or what there’s no one. There’s no governing body, you know, and just knowing, hey, this is above what I know to do, which is so.

00:16:10

Genevieve: Good to be able to, you know. Yeah. Acknowledge that and direct people towards that support. And we always say it with our work, too. And it’s been a big learning for me because when we started Voices of Hope, you know, it was something that I was doing all hours of the day, and it consumed my weekends. I was not, you know, like a better word, practicing what I preach. You know, I was talking about the importance of self care and boundaries. And I was over committing and getting far too involved with people in their situations. And actually it was, you know, mentors and people in my life being like, hey, if you want this to be sustainable and long term, you’ve actually got to put yourself first.

00:16:47

Natalie: Yeah.

00:16:48

Genevieve: And. And, you know, put those boundaries in place and say no to things and really focus on what we exist to be and not fall into all the other areas of, oh, it’d be cool to be doing this, but actually, it’s not in line with our work at all.

00:17:01

Natalie: Yeah, totally. I can make sure it’s be hard for you not to take home everyone home.

00:17:05

Genevieve: Yeah, I know. We literally go into schools and, like, me and Jazz will even be like, oh, we just want to wrap them up in a blanket and take them home, especially when they’re, you know, they’re young and struggling. And this is a big part of my work.

00:17:16

Natalie: And I’m going to say I’m numb.

00:17:17

Genevieve: To it, which is not the case at all. And I. And it’s not fair because I’m. I like to think I’m a very empathetic person, but I think I forget that hearing people’s deepest, darkest stories on a daily basis, it’s not normal.

00:17:31

Natalie: Yeah. He probably needs some really great coping mechanisms.

00:17:34

Genevieve: Right. And I. And I don’t. And I don’t take that stuff home. Whereas I spent a long time, you know, being quite consumed by it. And. And that doesn’t mean I don’t feel for them or have empathy, but it’s, again, putting those boundaries in place of, actually, here’s what I can do to support them and here’s what I can’t do. Yeah. And actually, by letting this consume me, it’s actually not helpful to anyone.

00:17:56

Natalie: It’s that old. That annoying cliche of put your oxygen.

00:17:59

Genevieve: Mask on other people’s. Yeah. Yeah.

00:18:01

Natalie: And I feel like you’ve got a lot of. I’ve never seen this too, but that you’ve got a lot of integrity. So at some stage, you would have felt out of alignment. Right. Of going, you’ve got to look after yourself. Meanwhile, you can make breakfast. Going to bed too late. I feel like that would have unraveled somewhere for you quite quickly. Oh, actually.

00:18:20

Genevieve: I mean, me and Jazz have both gone through that in periods, and there’s. There’s definitely moments where it pops up and we’re like, actually, like, we need to stop and regroup and. And like you said, make sure we’re putting on our own oxygen mask first. But sometimes it can be hard to prioritize yourself when it feels like someone else has got X, Y, Z, that needs that support. But I guess, again, that comes down to that. Boundaries of Voices of Hope exists to support people or give hope to people on a large scale. We don’t do one on one individual work. It’s not where our expertise lies or where it’s safe for us or for them. We’re not clinicians, so focusing on what we can do is really important.

00:18:58

Natalie: For your own mental health, with what you went through when you were a teenager, do you still kind of. It’s the right word battle. It’s all around. How does it show up for you now?

00:19:08

Genevieve: Yeah, that’s a great question. So I’m. I’m what? I’m considered recovered, and I have been.

00:19:12

Natalie: For a few years.

00:19:13

Genevieve: And that looks like different things. I’ve always found the word recovery. I talk about being free.

00:19:16

Natalie: Yeah.

00:19:17

Genevieve: Like, recovery feels very black and white. You’re either recovered or you’re not. And I think, you know, I find myself dealing with anxiety at certain points. And there’ll be moments where, you know, my OCD might pick up if I’m feeling a little bit vulnerable. But I guess where I’m at now is I’ve got so many tools and skills that if these negative thoughts or urges to engage in whatever behavior may be, which happens very, very, very rarely, it doesn’t enter my brain. Like, I’ve got the. Got the ability to you know, switch that off and in many ways and it’s going to sound really, you know, quite crazy again. My words aren’t coming to me well. But in many ways there’s been like one of the good things of having gone through what I’ve gone through is I have this like wealth of knowledge and tools that help me in multiple areas of my life. If I’m feeling stressed I know how to sort of manage that because you know, I spent so many moments of my teenage years going to completely consume my anxiety and have the tools and skills to do that. You know, I don’t engage and sort of or don’t feel as affected as perhaps other people may do. And this might be a generalization but when it comes to sort of body image and pressures society because I’ve learned so much throughout my own journey of you know, how to manage those things and I try and focus on the good that’s come from that. But yeah, long story short, I’m very, very well and on a day to day basis it doesn’t impact me.

00:20:42

Natalie: I think that’s great though because as we said before, business is hard anyway. Let alone bringing with it.

00:20:48

Genevieve: Yeah.

00:20:48

Natalie: Unfreed and actually just amplify and make everything a lot harder. Particularly with how business has done that with online and your image.

00:20:59

Genevieve: Yeah.

00:20:59

Natalie: And particularly for women. Like how you know, really how you.

00:21:03

Genevieve: Know, how you, how you sell yourself. You know like in terms of I think and I, I mean it’s been a big part of our journey. I guess we started like social media is such a big part of what we do. But I can imagine for a lot of people coming into business, I mean that’s a whole new ball game. Right.

00:21:18

Natalie: Yeah.

00:21:18

Genevieve: You have to, I don’t remember, correct me if I’m wrong but there is an element of selling yourself.

00:21:24

Natalie: Yeah. But yeah.

00:21:25

Genevieve: In order to be a business you have to market yourself.

00:21:30

Natalie: Yeah.

00:21:30

Genevieve: And I think people really, you know, relate to that human to human and so it does become in some ways about you. I don’t know if this makes sense.

00:21:38

Natalie: No, it totally makes sense because if you’re selling yourself as a service.

00:21:42

Genevieve: Yeah.

00:21:42

Natalie: And someone says no, if someone’s not here or their self esteem isn’t good.

00:21:46

Genevieve: Yeah.

00:21:47

Natalie: They’re attached. They’re attached like I had nine. No. That means there’s something wrong with me.

00:21:52

Genevieve: Yeah. Yeah.

00:21:53

Natalie: And that’s really, that’s really hard. But any and as opposed to a product or you’re selling something that’s not related to. So it’s very much A thing.

00:22:01

Genevieve: Yeah.

00:22:02

Natalie: And sometimes my job of helping people, particularly women, self confidence. It’s like, no, you’re not your business.

00:22:08

Genevieve: Yes.

00:22:08

Natalie: You’re separate. They say no to that. Not no to you. To you.

00:22:12

Genevieve: Absolutely. Yeah. That’s a really, really thought about that. Yeah. In terms of, like you said, you are, you know, when you’re a service lead business.

00:22:19

Natalie: Yeah.

00:22:20

Genevieve: As opposed to a product. You know, like someone doesn’t like the product. I mean, it would hurt. But if someone turns down you or says, I don’t want to ever meet with you again because I didn’t find that valuable.

00:22:30

Natalie: Oh, that’s so it’s very tough.

00:22:33

Genevieve: Yeah.

00:22:33

Natalie: With. Let alone with. If you have. If you’ve got unhealed trauma.

00:22:37

Genevieve: Yeah, completely.

00:22:38

Natalie: You can actually not show up in your business, maybe.

00:22:42

Genevieve: Yeah.

00:22:42

Natalie: You can then not show up.

00:22:44

Genevieve: Yeah.

00:22:44

Natalie: And then you drop your consistency. And then for business, that’s. This business needs consistent action. If you’re suddenly out because you’re overthinking something.

00:22:53

Genevieve: Yeah.

00:22:53

Natalie: You know, it’s.

00:22:55

Genevieve: Yeah. Really good point.

00:22:57

Natalie: So, you know, what you were trying to say was perfect because it so exists.

00:23:01

Genevieve: Yeah.

00:23:02

Natalie: And to do that, men can often. They also suffer from imposter and all that stuff. But what they actually can be better is compartmentalizing that. Why not this thing.

00:23:15

Genevieve: Yes, that. With my husband, he’s very good. He’s like Calvin Storm. Like, I’m much more like, everything’s falling apart. And he’s like, you know, very much like you said, he can compartment. And I’m really working on that as well. But, yeah, that is interesting, isn’t it?

00:23:30

Natalie: Yeah. How did you meet him?

00:23:31

Genevieve: Great question. So we. We’ve known each other through mutual friends for years and years and years. And then we reconnected. I think it was on Tinder I downloaded. I used to like, download it just to like, have a swipe and see what’s out there. But then as soon as someone mess me, I’d get really scared because I was like, oh, this is weird. But then he. We were friends on Facebook because we had mutual friends. And then I bumped into him on Parnell Road and I was like, oh, actually, he looks quite nice. And then we went out for a date, and then the rest is history. We’ve known each other since I was like, I think 14 or 15, and.

00:24:06

Natalie: Here we are 32 weeks pregnant.

00:24:07

Genevieve: I know.

00:24:08

Natalie: I say we, we, and that’s pregnant.

00:24:11

Genevieve: We’re in this together. Yeah. So it’s crazy. Yeah.

00:24:15

Natalie: What is it? Is there anything that you’re like, I’m Having a girl, having a baby, like, does it bring up things for you?

00:24:22

Genevieve: There’s. I mean, there’s always been the concern. It was the same as, like, I’ve got a little sister. Like, when I say little, she’s five years younger than me, so she’s not little little.

00:24:29

Natalie: She can also be like, listen.

00:24:31

Genevieve: Yeah. Yes. I think for me, you know, when I look at my mental health journey, there’s aspects of it, you know, that are, you know, eating disorders are biologically influenced. There’s some genetics thing, components to some of the things that I’ve gone through. And I guess my biggest fear was that my child would end up going through something like that, but also, it’s not worth worrying about. Just literally still inside me. And I also feel like I’ve learned so much in terms of, you know, how to raise a. I was gonna say learn so much on how to raise a child. I have no idea what I’m doing. But in terms of, like, language and. And, you know, what would have really. And I say that my parents were amazing. They never discussed body image, and we had a really sort of balanced, healthy relationship with food and, you know, all food fits, etc. But I think that’s probably a fear of mine, that she’d end up going through some challenging things like I did. But, you know, there’s only so much you can do to sometimes Gen X play their part, and it’s not worth worrying about. We’ve got time to, you know, help her grow and flourish. I think the big thing for me when it comes to, you know, my new journey of being a mum is Voices of an Amazing Team. Don’t get me wrong, but it still relies really heavily.

00:25:41

Natalie: Yeah, does.

00:25:42

Genevieve: And so there’s been a discussion for a long time of how do we make Voices of Hope not exist without Jaz and I, because we always want to be part of it, but how can we make it sustainable that it doesn’t rely on Jazz and I? And in many ways, me being pregnant just forced us into that process because Jazz doesn’t work operationally within the organization. And so it’s, like, actually uplifting our team and empowering them to make decisions and having to take some risks. And so I think that’s what I’m probably nervous about is, one, because I love my. My work so much, is how can I possibly step away? But two, I’m like, how will the charity continue? Which probably sounds really cocky without me physically being here, but I know it will because it’s so much bigger than me and there are elements of it that I’m still going to need to be involved in, you know, in terms of funding decisions and. And that sort of stuff.

00:26:40

Natalie: Yeah. I think it’s an exciting but scary time, like you said. But like any business owner, it’s charity or not, if you’re separating your baby, these decisions had to be. Have to be made anyway.

00:26:52

Genevieve: Yeah.

00:26:52

Natalie: But how exciting to know that you can.

00:26:54

Genevieve: I know how this word, please say I keep that.

00:26:57

Natalie: Oh, my goodness.

00:26:58

Genevieve: Allergic to her.

00:27:00

Natalie: She’s alone into my question.

00:27:05

Genevieve: Are you saying in terms of any business. Yeah, it’s an exciting.

00:27:08

Natalie: Because then you’re going to go, you’re going to have people with different perspectives and you’ll come back with a different perspective.

00:27:15

Genevieve: Yeah.

00:27:15

Natalie: And it’s just a great. It’s going to be great for the growth of it.

00:27:19

Genevieve: I think so. I think so in many ways. And I think the me as well, like, I. I mean, it’s always hard let go of bits of your. Your baby, but it’s time. And I think also we’re very lucky. Like, Voices are an incredibly supportive community. Like, they’re all so excited that. I mean, they tell me they are. Whether they are not, you know, they’re excited that I’m going to be a mom and it’s a new adventure and actually, like, we create the workload so if things slow down for, you know, six months, it’s actually not the end of the world. And like I said, I’ve got a really capable team around me that will, you know, help things continue.

00:27:50

Natalie: I think it goes back to that piece about that integrity piece, how we, like, talk about. It takes a village. So it takes support to raise your baby. It actually then also takes a village to raise your business, allowing the village to come and help you look after Voices of Hope while you’re learning to be a mum.

00:28:10

Genevieve: Yeah.

00:28:10

Natalie: I think is the evolution perhaps that the charity needed.

00:28:13

Genevieve: Right, Absolutely. And it goes both ways. Like, I mean, I’ve got visions of bring my baby in front back to a school talk, but, you know, like Emma and Maddie who work the Voices of Hope, like they can come work at the house while baby’s there. Like, it’s. We’re not in a. I guess I’m one of my best mates in the weekend, so she’s in a very corporate role and, you know, I looked when she took Michelle, she took a year off, which was incredible, and could step away and the business had a plan and processes and she didn’t feel like she had to play catch up. Because things continued. Whereas. And part of me is like, oh, that’d be so nice to be able to fully step away. But then I’m also really privileged to be in a role that I. Not saying she doesn’t love that, but that I love and feel so purposeful about and can be adaptive and flexible. Like, I can bring a baby in here if I need to.

00:29:02

Natalie: Exactly.

00:29:04

Genevieve: Like, you’re in charge. Yeah. And. And you couldn’t necessarily get that in the corporate environment. So there’s win wins to both. It’s a new challenge. It’s an exciting challenge. It was always going to happen because I’ve always wanted kids and so we just have to go with it.

00:29:17

Natalie: Yeah. I think that you. You really understand your own anchors. Like, for you actually still being able to think about Voices of Hope and the team and being part of it is actually an anchor that you need while you be a mum.

00:29:28

Genevieve: Yeah.

00:29:29

Natalie: I think you know that from just your own healing journey completely. And I think it’s really. I love that you’re like. Well, I like how you’re embracing, like, I’m still going to do what I can because actually you need it.

00:29:41

Genevieve: Yes. And that’s the thing. I need it as much as it needs me. And I’m not. And I’m not putting expectations on it. Like, if I can do some stuff while I’m on maternity leave, we’re still figuring out what that looks like, then amazing. But if I can’t and if. If all my focus needs to just go on, which it probably will for a long period of time. I have no idea what I’m doing when it comes to being a mum. But, yeah, it’s just kind of like we’re just gonna take it as it comes and, and, and let it be.

00:30:08

Natalie: It’s nice when you think about it. Hey, like, when you go plan a year, for example, it’s like. I mean, it’s nearly Christmas. Like, Merry Christmas. Merry Christmas. That’s right.

00:30:15

Genevieve: It’s literally. I know.

00:30:17

Natalie: So.

00:30:19

Genevieve: Yes.

00:30:21

Natalie: So even if things just strategically paused.

00:30:23

Genevieve: Or slowed down again, it’s not there.

00:30:25

Natalie: It’s something when you zoom out and you go, oh, wow. Voices of Hope is now 20 years and always slowed it down for eight months.

00:30:32

Genevieve: Yeah.

00:30:32

Natalie: Like, when we zoom out in that perspective, it’s not. It’s. No, it’s nothing.

00:30:37

Genevieve: And then also, like, I was talking to girls about this too. It’s like. And it also doesn’t have be to. To like, like saying they’re so capable and these things that we’ve Got in place and. And there is sort of like, funding and partnership. Partnership expectations we need to meet. But, yeah, I think. I think part of it’s them trusting themselves.

00:30:54

Natalie: Yeah, of course.

00:30:55

Genevieve: And me, you know, because I trust them.

00:30:59

Natalie: I don’t know.

00:31:00

Genevieve: I’ll be interesting. I’m excited. Like, I haven’t ever sort of. I’ve never stepped away since we started it.

00:31:05

Natalie: Yeah.

00:31:06

Genevieve: And so did. Yeah. And we talked about, like, getting a maternity cover, and it was decided that that would actually be a whole lot more work.

00:31:11

Natalie: You’re right.

00:31:12

Genevieve: Like, how do you get.

00:31:14

Natalie: I always have a cardboard cutout of you.

00:31:16

Genevieve: Yes, yes. But we’ll be like, yeah, pretty useless. What would you do? But again, like, I’m. I’m that capable. It’s going to be okay.

00:31:25

Natalie: It is.

00:31:26

Genevieve: And I think, yeah, but giving them some more ownership and. And, yeah, allowing them to trust themselves, the decisions they make. And I’m also like, what’s the worst that can happen? Charity falls apart. This thing I’ve built over years and years falls apart. We’ve got a good border around us, Jaz. And like, you know, it’s. It’s. It just is what it is.

00:31:46

Natalie: Exactly.

00:31:46

Genevieve: I am banking on the fact that I have eight more weeks, and if. If she comes early, then we’re gonna have some issues.

00:31:51

Natalie: But I think people would be really interested in. Not many people know how a charity works.

00:32:00

Genevieve: Yeah, I don’t. Sometimes.

00:32:04

Natalie: I think just like, kind of like the business. Kind of the business world, the structure of it would be quite interesting for people.

00:32:10

Genevieve: Yeah.

00:32:12

Natalie: Yeah.

00:32:12

Genevieve: Cool. Okay. So Jazz and I started Voices of Hope. We were. It was just sort of a not for profit organization. We decided we wanted to become a charity, or it was sort of one of them. We kind of had to become a charity if we want the opportunity to grow, expand, but also apply for funding through grants, organizations, etc, and got us a long time ago, in order to be a charity, you need to have a board of trustees. All your sort of financials, understandably, because it’s public money, are open. So transparency is a huge, huge part of being a charity. Everyone can access that again, as they should. If they’re supporting something, they should know where their money is going towards. You know, one of the first things we did is sort of set out. It’s changed and it’s adapted, as it sure does in business, I imagine, too. But visions, goals, and purpose is a huge part of it. And so why do we exist? What’s our point of difference? What are we here to do? How are we Going to be here to do that and then having some really sort of clear strategy. You know, we, we try and work. You know, we’re already planning for 2026 now.

00:33:17

Natalie: Yeah.

00:33:17

Genevieve: And what the year looks like next year. So working ahead and making sure that everything we do aligns with our goals and missions and visions. We’ve worked on projects before, and when we’ve regrouped after, then we’re like, wow, that was incredible. And it had lots of impact, but it actually doesn’t align with the goal of, you know, giving people hope through the lived experience perspective. And it’s an awesome idea, but that’s not why Voices of Hope exists.

00:33:43

Natalie: So for us.

00:33:44

Genevieve: Yeah. I mean, I often have moments, people be like, how do you fund yourselves? And how do you get salaries? And part of me goes, actually, this is a really valid question, but, you know, as an organization, there’s multiple ways, or as a charity, there’s multiple ways of sourcing funding, whether it’s through, you know, community grants or corporate partnerships. Philanthropy, I can never say that word. I think I said it.

00:34:07

Natalie: Spell it. We do spelling.

00:34:11

Genevieve: You know, private donations. And so we’ve got multiple funding streams, which seems to be a really important thing as a charity because you can’t rely on, you know, one thing. We’ve got a grant writer that does all our grant applications for us, which is awesome. A couple of corporate partners. I think, you know, a lot of charities run really lean.

00:34:30

Natalie: Yeah.

00:34:31

Genevieve: And, and more so than ever, there’s been a lot of charities that unfortunately have had to close their doors, whether it’s their virtual or they actually have doors to close, because, yeah, funding is really, really challenging, especially when there’s so many charities out there doing awesome work, going for the same.

00:34:49

Natalie: Yeah. Right.

00:34:50

Genevieve: You get a lot of no’s. You might apply for 10 funding applications in a week and you’d be lucky to get one. So. Yeah, I mean, I guess in many ways it runs like a business in terms of having a purpose and our why keeps us, you know, going in the moments where things become challenging. But yeah, a big part of our work, it’s, it’s funny and again to hear. Not that I’ve thought so much about the business side of things, but, you know, we’re planning here for 20, 26 and we can lock in dates and have ideas, but none of that’s going to be possible unless we get the funding to do it.

00:35:22

Natalie: Right.

00:35:22

Genevieve: So it’s this whole like 22, like, catch me to. In order to apply for funding, you need have your Plans in place, but in order to actually activate those plans, you need funding. So we often plan things that just can’t go ahead because we don’t have the money to do it. Or you know, we want to grow our team or have these big goals and dreams, but if we don’t have the funding, how do we do it? And something we find time and time again. And I think funders and grants and corporates have become more aware of this. But understandably they want to fund projects because it’s tangible and they can see the impact. But if you’re not funding the operations and you know, the team that are making those things happen, then the projects aren’t going to happen. And so, yeah, getting operational costs can be a challenge.

00:36:03

Natalie: Yeah. How have you navigated that, being such a empath, to make sure that. Because what matters, whether in a charity or business, is that you get paid properly.

00:36:12

Genevieve: Yes.

00:36:13

Natalie: How have you navigated your own guilt.

00:36:15

Genevieve: Perhaps in terms of like getting a salary?

00:36:17

Natalie: You get paid properly.

00:36:18

Genevieve: Yeah. Oh my goodness, that’s so hard. And I think, I mean, yeah. Compared to some organizations, you know, and I’m very grateful to have a salary from this organization because, you know, we spent so many years not, I think if you probably compared it to others, I still would be, you know, for my role and title, you know, not paid necessarily to that. The scale. Perhaps others are.

00:36:41

Natalie: Yeah.

00:36:42

Genevieve: But I’m also very, very, very grateful to have a salary. I mean to be in a position where the organization is big enough to be able to, you know, have myself and two part time employees freaking epic and a couple of contractors. That was really challenging for me in multiple ways because in order to have a salary I have to source the funding. So it falls back on me.

00:37:02

Natalie: Yeah. Right.

00:37:03

Genevieve: To go and you know, to go on to, to do that. But also there’s been complexities or like, like you said, being an empath, I think of being like, how dare I take money from the organization when the whole purpose is to help people. But there’s been a lot of discussions from, you know, mentors and boards and actually, realistically, if you’re not paying the people to do. I couldn’t do this.

00:37:23

Natalie: Correct. You wouldn’t be able to do it. I wouldn’t be able to do it properly.

00:37:25

Genevieve: No, it wouldn’t. And it would not be having the impact it has if we didn’t have a team that were paid and valued because we’d all have to have other jobs. And we saw that, you know, the first few years, voices of hope you know, I was working full time in a school. Jaz was, you know, studying. And so Voices of Hope only got the additional hours in the week that we could find to give it. And so, yeah, it’s really tricky. I find it challenging, especially when, you know, there are projects that we want to complete but we don’t have the funding to do so. And I’m like, but I’m.

00:38:07

Natalie: Yeah.

00:38:08

Genevieve: And then again, it’s that realistic, you know, voice and voices of others being like, well, Jennifer, you weren’t employed by the charity. The charity wouldn’t exist.

00:38:19

Natalie: Yeah. I love that you get that.

00:38:21

Genevieve: Yeah. It’s been important because I have had moments where being like, just take away my salary. I’ll do this for free. And then people being like, but then how, how will you live? You’re gonna do another job and then you’re not gonna be able to give any time. Voices of Hope. And so, yeah, it’s a really, really tricky one. And I think, you know, again, you know, the first thing to go, if, if, if, like, I’d give up my salary or, or you know, pay in a heartbeat if it got to the point where it’s like, do this life saving campaign or paging, you know, like.

00:38:54

Natalie: No, guys, I need that.

00:38:56

Genevieve: Yeah. I really need that. So, yeah, I don’t know. It’s a tricky one.

00:38:59

Natalie: But I think wasn’t. And for you is like, but all business owners go through that same thing, right?

00:39:04

Genevieve: Yeah, yeah. And people will often say to me, I’ve got a few people that in my, in my life or networks that have started a business or started a charity and, and they deal with that same complexity of like, at what point do you dive in and say, actually in order for this to grow, I need to commit my time to this, whether it’s part time, casual, full time. And I always say that it’s such a challenging step because you feel like you might be taking away. But actually in many ways, by you being paid to do your role, you’re actually giving or able to give so much more.

00:39:33

Natalie: Yeah. I think if you’re not paying yourself properly, that adds to that mental health issue, like pay bills you can’t do maybe nice things for yourself, or you’re on that Maslow hierarchy, your base.

00:39:42

Genevieve: Yeah.

00:39:43

Natalie: Baselight baseline.

00:39:44

Genevieve: Yeah.

00:39:45

Natalie: That is a massive impact.

00:39:47

Genevieve: Yeah. Yeah.

00:39:49

Natalie: Tell us about. Have you written two books or it’s just the one?

00:39:52

Genevieve: I’ve done two.

00:39:53

Natalie: Yeah.

00:39:53

Genevieve: One of me and Jazz did one together called My Journey Starts Here and it’s a guided well being journal we did that. And.

00:40:00

Natalie: Oh, yes, I’ve got.

00:40:03

Genevieve: And they’ve been awesome. Awesome. They’re more for, like, I mean, for anyone, but when, you know, we’re in intermediate schools, they’re really great resources for kids and adults. So I’ve written that one and then. Which didn’t involve a lot of writing because the graphic designer did most of it. We just laid it all out and, you know, chose all the activities and the structure and stuff. But it’s more user led in terms of, like, they fill out things. So that was really cool. That still continues to just impact people. That’s all over the world, which is very cool. And then bite, that’s the book that I released two years ago now, which is a compassionate guide to navigating eating disorders. And it’s my. Well, the first part’s my story. The second part’s like tools and skills and ideas for parents and carers. You know, things that really helped me throughout my journey, that hopefully give tools and skills to others that are either going through or supporting someone through it. And then last section is 16 other stories of hope. So 16 other people that have gone through their own journeys, which felt really important. And I make it really clear in there and when I talk about it that, you know, not everyone’s going to see themselves in those 16 stories, but there is a good diversity in terms of experiences and diagnosis and tools and skills. Yeah. And that was really cool to be trusted with 16. I haven’t met some of these people, people’s stories, and for them to want to be part of something like this. So, yeah, that’s something I’m really proud of. Yeah. Again, it’s. It’s still. Still.

00:41:39

Natalie: What’s it like for you having your story out there in a written form?

00:41:42

Genevieve: Yeah, it was, it was. It was interesting because it’s the most, like, I’ve shared my story on. I’ve done lots of sort of media and podcasts and stuff, but that was the most in depth, most vulnerable, transparent. Like, I’ll read stuff back now and I’ll be like, oh, my God. I’m like, you know, I’m talking about my bowel motions at one point because I couldn’t poo. And so it was very open. I found it. And I’ve always found this, which is really interesting is. Is I found, like, when that came out, I was more nervous for my friends and family to read it than I was for a random stranger.

00:42:13

Natalie: Yeah. What?

00:42:14

Genevieve: I don’t know. It’s the same as, like, like social media. Like I’m way more nervous to post on Instagram as it’s my friends and family, as opposed to TikTok, where it’s just a whole bunch of, you know, people I don’t know on a personal level that follow me. I mean, my friends and family probably in there too, and I don’t know what that was. And so it wasn’t like friends and family, like. And especially people that have become more like my friends in the last few years. I’m like, they know so much about me. And one of my biggest recovery goals, or like, my biggest recovery inspirations was to meet the Jonas Brothers. I was obsessed with the Jonas Brothers in hospital. They covered my walls, posters, blah, blah, blah. And I actually had the opportunity to meet them when they came to New Zealand last year and one of them had downloaded and had been listening to the ebook, and I gave them a copy of the book, which they probably left to New Zealand. But that’s. That’s a moment where I went, oh, my God, like, this person knows so much.

00:43:05

Natalie: They know about me.

00:43:06

Genevieve: Yeah. I was like, they literally. And I’ve just heard, because I think he was up to chapter five or something. I was like, he’s just heard like, the worst few years of my life. And that sort of. Those sort of moments are quite confronting. Or like parents, friends being like, we didn’t. Like, they’ve seen a lot of this. My parents being like, we didn’t know it was that. That dire and that it was that, you know, dark and. Yeah. Bad. So.

00:43:28

Natalie: Yeah.

00:43:29

Genevieve: But I’m really proud of it. It’s probably the thing. And I didn’t do it, you know, for myself. It was for other people. But in many ways it was very healing.

00:43:38

Natalie: Yeah.

00:43:38

Genevieve: And it’s almost in some ways also how it close a chapter of. Not that I still talk about being disorders and stuff all the time, but it’s. Yeah. It’s helped me heal, I think.

00:43:48

Natalie: And I think like you said about in connections with friends and family, it helps them heal and understand without having to be sitting with each other and going completely. I think that they talk about, like, if you’re in the car with your kids and you’re talking with them, they can’t really see you.

00:44:03

Genevieve: Yeah.

00:44:03

Natalie: Removed. I think the book. I can see how the. How the book has helped other people or your friends and family that way. Yeah. And even for you, being able to go here is what happened without me having to sit there in front of you.

00:44:13

Genevieve: Yes. Yeah, completely.

00:44:15

Natalie: Yeah.

00:44:16

Genevieve: No, absolutely. And like, I mean, I’ve Had a couple of book, like, yep. Students have done it for their book school book review studies. Like, I’ve had people stop me in the street. I had a dad who was with his daughter actually in the car park in Newmarket a while ago, and he’s like, hey, Jen. I was like, yeah. He’s like, I’ve reached. I got this bright car with me. I. But he was just like, hey, thanks so much for. For writing that book. You know, my daughter’s gone through her own struggles and. And it’s given understanding to a lot of people, which I think. Yeah, I still get messages about it.

00:44:49

Natalie: Is there another one, another book coming? No, there’s a baby coming. Yes.

00:44:53

Genevieve: Baby. I don’t know what I’m writing about. I was like, my old story’s out there.

00:44:56

Natalie: I’ve done a journal.

00:44:58

Genevieve: Maybe someday. I. Actually, the writing process, I had six months, I think six months to write it and. Yeah. Which blew by. And a lot of that process, because I journaled pretty much every day when I was unwell for, like, two years, which was a blessing for this book because I could go back and pick journal entries and actually help me put a timeline together when things were happening. But since not writing, I’ve actually really missed it. Like, it was quite a. I mean, there were definitely moments where I was like, I’ve got no words. But, yeah, the process of it was quite cool.

00:45:33

Natalie: Yeah. I totally get it from writing books as well. You do you get into such a habit of writing.

00:45:38

Genevieve: Yes.

00:45:38

Natalie: And a discipline that when it isn’t there, it does feel that way.

00:45:41

Genevieve: Yeah.

00:45:43

Natalie: You see something interesting before about the 16 stories that you shared of others and people seeing themselves or recognizing themselves through the stories. That’s one of the reasons I wanted to do this podcast, is that someone’s gonna hear something for them within H1. If you. If you. If there was someone in business or charity, whatever kind of business, that too might be struggling with. Mental health.

00:46:06

Genevieve: Yeah.

00:46:07

Natalie: What do you want to say?

00:46:09

Genevieve: Yeah, that’s a great question. Beautiful question, I think. I mean, we’ve covered a lot of it, but I think it’s so important to put yourself first. It’s not selfish. You know, self care is such a big part of it. And actually by you prioritizing yourself and your own mental health, whether that’s, you know, going speaking to a doctor or a therapist, or making sure that you put time in your calendar for you to go outside and go for a walk around the block, you’re actually going to be much more beneficial and helpful to your business because, you know, once you’re. When you’re looking after your mental health, everything else, you know, thrives a lot better. Be kind to yourself. I think comparison is a really challenging thing and I imagine in business too, comparing yourself to other people. But hold on to your why and your purpose and don’t let anyone tell you no. I think even when we were starting Voices of Hope, you know, there were a lot of people that were like, oh, this will just be a temporary phase or like, this is never going to be anything. Tell them to shush. Prove them wrong, you know, how long.

00:47:04

Natalie: Have you been going?

00:47:05

Genevieve: We started 2014 originally and then relaunched 2017. So it’s been a big part of my life. But, yeah, believe in yourself and lean on others.

00:47:16

Natalie: Yeah, I think that’s important to have it. Lean on others.

00:47:18

Genevieve: Yes.

00:47:19

Natalie: How can we support the charity at the moment? Is there anything we can be like?

00:47:22

Genevieve: Great question. I think a big thing for us is like, one of the best ways you can support us is other than funding is. Yeah, give us money. All your money is by just sharing our content. Like, we post a lot of stuff on our social media and, you know, that reaches our community, but when our community share, that then reaches other people and we’ve seen a single post impact someone’s life, you know, for the better. So, yeah, sharing our content is a really helpful way to get involved and you can just do that by finding us at the voices of hope.org or voices of Hope on social media. It’s always really appreciated.

00:47:57

Natalie: Yeah, cool. We’ll make sure we put all those show notes in. Perfect. So I segrate us very casually into wrapping up because I’m like, look at the time, kid. We could have spoken.

00:48:05

Genevieve: We could have spoken together. I actually need to have some lunch.

00:48:08

Natalie: Exactly. Perfect. Thanks so much.

00:48:12

Genevieve: Anytime.

00:48:13

Natalie: Oh, anytime. I like.

00:48:14

Genevieve: Oh, no boundaries.